Time for us to step up: Some realizations by Tsalagi

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Her warm breath blows by my ears and she danced behind me. Sweet whispers of sweet nothings drift in one ear and out of the other. She's drunk, the club is closing soon, and I don't want to go home with her. It was too easy. I walked in, grabbed her hand, spun her, dipped her, whispered in her ear, and here we are. She's talking, but I'm not listening. I don't really care what she is saying, because this isn't me, she isn't what I want, and this is not what I need.

My name is Tsalagi, and I am now rejecting a woman who is throwing her vagina at me. This is my story, and these are the conclusions that I have come to.

My background isn't important, neither is my age, race, economic status, social proof, attractiveness, skill level, nor my understanding of pick-up. What is important is this: The forum (along with "pick-up" and "seduction") has become muddled. I see this first hand on a daily basis, and I admit that for once, I am worried about the ideas people are getting.

Back in the club, a group of guys stand in a trance at the fact that I just started dancing with the hottest dancer in this club. Now, she is licking my face, as I am turning away and looking for an exit. They will call me a pimp, ask me how I did it, and resent the fact that I could have this woman with her pants off in the bathroom. They want what I am doing.

And that is EXACTLY the problem.

I didn't put this girl in a trance. I did nothing but walk up, and asked her what her name was. I did something that noone else would do, and now she wants me. And it is getting me unwanted attention. My name gets passed around, which I don't like. People follow the success of others. Look at the millions of businesses that have arisen from a single idea. This is the field. The line between individuality and conformity is blurred. I use a line, and I hear it a week later. I am not a guru, I am not even marginally successful, but words give me status, and copying a perceived status breeds bad habits, and finally, bad habits produce failure.

And this happens everywhere.

Lines, routines, and patterns do what? Run over the grass of a path that someone has already driven down. You see, we join these forums because we want to be good, and we want to be real good. Someone says, "Oh! I said _____ and she took off her pants! YOU HAVE TO TRY IT!" And people try it. And it works, and it fails. It becomes result driven work, and the results are measured in success with women. Pick-up, and this forum, has become about doing and accomplishing.

And this has to change.

I joined this forum when I was down on my luck. My luck has changed, and I can find women to have sex with. But that doesn't matter to me. If I sleep with the dancer, humping my leg, then I sleep with her. If I don't then I don't. And there is a reason. Instead of doing and accomplishing, I have changed myself. Instead of DOING, I am BEING. I changed my style, my mentality, and my habits, and this is the only thing that this community can do to progress.

I am who I want to be. There is no seperate level in the PUA handle "Tsalagi", and my "real selt", Ryan. At first, I was ashamed of the fact that I am here and that I come to the site. Now? Fuck that.

Look, this is getting long, and I thank you for reading this, and here is what I challenge you to do. Instead of doing pickup, be the type of person you want to be. You will be a happier person, and we will progress from being a forum that works on getting chicks into a group that works together to make sure that each person can accomplish what he wants to be, whether it be having sex with 3452 women, or finding a soulmate. Sit down for thirty minutes, by yourself, and draw up what you can do to change. If you need to write it here, as a reply, and we, as a community, will help you in any way we can.

Because THAT is the most important topic of this forum.

Thank you once again,

Ryan

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Not sure the point of this post but damn very well written. Makes me wonder if you just took that from some other board and added your name.

Anyways if you were to interview most people they would say that as a result of learning game they are a better person all around. That is one thing I love about reading and learning this stuff. I can tell that me now and me 6 months ago are very different. And while many of my friends and family don't agree I am think I am a better person now as a result.

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Haha, no, it is just the result of a insomnia induced night.

My point is this: Instead of trying to do all these lines, be the type of person you want to be and the women will follow. As opposed to result based learning, go by individual feelings.

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I agree that it's about being and not about acting. But i'm not sure I agree with your implication as to what the community is about.

I think anyone who is serious about getting good is going to pursue being the type of person who automatically exhibits the attractive, magnetic traits that draw women seemingly without effort. Every man has a choice as to what kind of man he wants to be, and some are a lot more successful than others.

In general I agree, but I think it's important that the advice not be construed as saying "do whatever you feel like, be yourself, which means don't change." I think your recommendation to "be the type of person you want to be" should come with an asterisk and a little elaboration.

But I would certainly say that the change we should be seeking is a change of being and not a change of acting.

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I agree that it's about being and not about acting. But i'm not sure I agree with your implication as to what the community is about.

I think anyone who is serious about getting good is going to pursue being the type of person who automatically exhibits the attractive, magnetic traits that draw women seemingly without effort. Every man has a choice as to what kind of man he wants to be, and some are a lot more successful than others.

In general I agree, but I think it's important that the advice not be construed as saying "do whatever you feel like, be yourself, which means don't change." I think your recommendation to "be the type of person you want to be" should come with an asterisk and a little elaboration.

But I would certainly say that the change we should be seeking is a change of being and not a change of acting.
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You can be my disclaimed. My main point was this: Don't put all the value in lines and methods, because that is a false way of looking at things. Instead, give yourself value, and like you said, the women will flock.

That is what I mean.

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For many "being themselves" wasnt getting them the results they wanted so... If using a line or routine gets you talking to women where as before you simply froze up or were just to shy to say anything, I say stack routines on top of lines and let her rip! Down the road when you get the "feel" for it then you can cut the crap and just have fun with it.

To me it sounds as if you hvave become jaded to the pick up game beause of the consistancy in which you can pull it off. Alot of guys got into pickup because of their shortcomings with the opposite sex, naturals dont need this skill set. Were you a natural? Are you ugly? Intensly(sp) shy?

Until a guy runs into the "problem" you have, I disagree 100 percent.

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the only problem i see with this mindset is, it creates a negative vibe about the PUA. In my mind the artist is not in the game soley to "pick up" but to allow themselves to create a pleasant atmosphere for the woman that he is gaming, even if the sole intenion is to f close.
With that being said there is no way in hell that the things you have learned from the game have not bled into the other portions of your life and made those areas better. Health, wealth, and love as it is put accounts for everything that happens in your life. Personally even thought I have only been doing this for a very very very limited amount of time, I can honestly say that I have seen improvements in my life in all three areas.

So yes, when it becomes monotonous it can be troublesome, but i ask you why not change it up a bit?

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the only problem i see with this mindset is, it creates a negative vibe about the PUA. In my mind the artist is not in the game soley to "pick up" but to allow themselves to create a pleasant atmosphere for the woman that he is gaming, even if the sole intenion is to f close.
With that being said there is no way in hell that the things you have learned from the game have not bled into the other portions of your life and made those areas better. Health, wealth, and love as it is put accounts for everything that happens in your life. Personally even thought I have only been doing this for a very very very limited amount of time, I can honestly say that I have seen improvements in my life in all three areas.

So yes, when it becomes monotonous it can be troublesome, but i ask you why not change it up a bit?
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The reason you have seen these changes is because we sit down and constantly monitor your progress. Also we have done two goal setting sessions in the last two months and It is a great tool to keep yourself moving in the right direction. Hell you got a raise at work, you quit smoking, you are on a very successful path. I for one am very proud of you, and even mopre proud to call you friend.