If you really want women, do this. It worked for me.

[isosceles cheese]

I disagree though. It made me feel great, but didn't really do anything for women. Aside from cougars, I've never had a woman notice unfortunately, although I haven't been out really doing anything about women until recently. It probably works more for you than them.

[Smirks]

It does more work on your inner game than anything. That's what it did for me, and why 90% of the "gurus" throw it out there early.

[The Lisenby Effect]

It does more work on your inner game than anything. That's what it did for me, and why 90% of the "gurus" throw it out there early.

90% of the time
it works everytime

[Alphagame]

Internalization has taken a long time. Before the divorce, I was just a normal, slightly over-wieght, out of shape white guy wearing golf shirts and ball caps all the time. I had no sex appeal.

I've had good looks for several months already but it takes a LONG time to internalize the inner confidence. I'm just now getting to that point.

I guess what I'm saying is, if clark kent goes into the telephone booth as a total geeked out nerd with no sex appeal and comes out looking like superman 5 seconds later, he's still not gonna be able to go pick up women. His mind, his inner confidence, has to catch up with his body. Until that happens, he's still gonna struggle with women.

[El Fenix]

Internalization has taken a long time. Before the divorce, I was just a normal, slightly over-wieght, out of shape white guy wearing golf shirts and ball caps all the time. I had no sex appeal.

I've had good looks for several months already but it takes a LONG time to internalize the inner confidence. I'm just now getting to that point.

I guess what I'm saying is, if clark kent goes into the telephone booth as a total geeked out nerd with no sex appeal and comes out looking like superman 5 seconds later, he's still not gonna be able to go pick up women. His mind, his inner confidence, has to catch up with his body. Until that happens, he's still gonna struggle with women.

Yup. Kinda like a turbo, there's lag time.

[isosceles cheese]

His mind, his inner confidence, has to catch up with his body. Until that happens, he's still gonna struggle with women.

Yeah man, but you can spend all this time in the gym for years and years, then just end up "average" like all the other guys, and now you're at the bottom of the end because suddenly you've done all this work and you look like 90% of the rest of the world who can only hope to lease a black base model 3-series and pretend you're cool.

Its funny, I never thought going to the gym 5 days per week for 3 years and eating right would set me back, but it has set me back substantially. I can walk into any bar now and look like 90% of the people in there.

[isosceles cheese]

Yup. Kinda like a turbo, there's lag time.

lag or boost threshold? lol

[Skaldgrimnir]

His mind, his inner confidence, has to catch up with his body. Until that happens, he's still gonna struggle with women.

Yeah man, but you can spend all this time in the gym for years and years, then just end up "average" like all the other guys, and now you're at the bottom of the end because suddenly you've done all this work and you look like 90% of the rest of the world who can only hope to lease a black base model 3-series and pretend you're cool.

Its funny, I never thought going to the gym 5 days per week for 3 years and eating right would set me back, but it has set me back substantially. I can walk into any bar now and look like 90% of the people in there.

No, it doesn't set you back. Trust me. I've been losing weight, and even though it makes me look better, and therefore more like a lot of the people out there, it does not set me back.

It's just one step further, not the whole kit 'n kaboodle.

Since I tend to think better in terms of finance(Thanks Finesse, for pointing this out!), lets put it this way.

Working out/eating right might be an equivelant to a normal person investing in their 401K for retirement. Most people do the bare minimum that will be matched by their company, maybe a little more, and hope that works for their retirement.

Those who want to retire well, however, do other things as well.

They save heavily and budget = Increase their inner game
They invest savings into an IRA = Education/Learn skills that make them happy
They invest savings into a stock portfolio = Do activities that they enjoy and that make them interesting.

The problem is most people just settle for the 401K. They do not take care of a lot of essential. Same for guys and women. All of us who are, or were, AFCs, were the same way. We often look towards the minimum, or towards a step that doesn't seem to work out, as a failure when it does not produce the expected results. You need to look at it as a part of the whole. One section of your Personal(ity) Portfolio.

But when you add a good reasonable investment like working out and eating well, it's never a step back. It's just one more thing to add that is going to make you the total package.

[isosceles cheese]

that makes sense and all, but I look around the room everywhere I go and realize that I can't compete with what every other man has to offer women. I feel like a bum who has no right to talk to these women because I don't have the social status to back it up.

Even though they're douche bags, women like Guidos because they drink beer and yell "woo!" in inner-tubes on the lake, lease shiny cars, charge-up drinks on credit cards, and check their abs in the mirror to see if the alcohol made them soft yet.

I'm the total opposite of that. I don't shout and act like an obnoxious child (though I will ride the grocery carts), own reasonable cars, spend my spare time at a racetrack, I'd rather cook at home because I do it better than 90% of restaurants out there, and rather than getting crunk on a river somewhere, I'd rather take a 4-day trip to the wine country. Hell, I did that for the last one and ran shit for the first time in my life, and she bailed without a word.

Women don't like that shit. They'd rather have some dude get in fights and flex for the camera, even if he's wearing eye-liner and tans.

[Westfall]

I immediately gave up fried foods and guys,

I gave up both a long time ago...

Westfall